Watch CNBC's full interview with Finland's Minister for Foreign Affairs Pekka Haavisto

Watch CNBC's full interview with Finland's Minister for Foreign Affairs Pekka Haavisto



Foreign Minister, just to kick it off, we understand now that you have a February 28 date for the start of discussions in your parliament about Finland joining NATO. Can you give us a sense of how quickly those conversations are going to go? The local foreign affairs committee has just today finalized their own process on that and then it goes to our general assembly, the parliament and for the discussions. Certainly we will have a vote on that. It will be probably first days of March and then we have done actually. We are going for election holidays, election break and that's why this existing parliament wanted to deal with this matter as far as they can. Yeah, and of course this is a major bone of contention for NATO member Turkey. Hungary as well, is Finland willing to go it alone or are you going to wait for Sweden to be a part of this? We have all the time, we have very close contact with Sweden of course on this issue and we have said that our definite priority is to go together, to get us Sweden and Finland and this is our message to Turkey, this is our message to Hungary.

But of course things are now up to Hungary and to Turkey to deliver and to handle this issue and of course it's up to Turkey also if they separate us. So Turkey puts the brakes on Sweden, you're willing to join without? That's a new situation but of course we would love then Sweden to join as soon as possible so that we can be together members before the Vilnius Summit in the summer. France had a front row seat for decades even during the height of the Cold War to Russian aggression. How would you judge the threat to Finland today? Well I would say that we have of course full solidarity to Ukraine and we have condemned Russia very strongly on their attack on aggression on Ukraine. On our common border we have 800 miles common border, that's peaceful border. There are no military threats currently, nothing that we should react militarily and what we have said to NATO is that we are bringing a peaceful border to NATO. Yes and when you think about this with regards to the threat of nuclear war obviously that's something that those in the West and the United States and Europe have been discussing at length whether or not President Putin would be willing to use nuclear weapons, technical nuclear weapons.

You've said as Finland that you're going to stick to your commitments to no nuclear weapons on your border even if you become a member of NATO. Is that right? That's correct because we have a traditional legislation that prevents any nuclear weapons on our territory and we know actually that when we look at NATO nuclear weapons in Europe they are on traditional sides, there are no need of moving them anywhere for the Russian threat. But of course we condemn very strongly the language that President Putin has been using on nuclear issues, bringing the nuclear threat to Europe is of course totally irresponsible. In your mind will Turkey be more amenable as a result of the aid that Finland and Sweden have committed to the earthquake victims? Well I have a couple of days talked again to Foreign Minister Savu Soklo of course we expressed our condolences to huge amount of the victims and their families but of course we are also delivering aid, we are delivering rescue teams, we are delivering humanitarian aid, we are delivering temporary housing and so forth and I got an impression that Turkey is grateful for any help at this moment that they are getting. But of course NATO membership is a separate topic but what we are afraid of course that both Finns and Swedish stratification might be delayed because of this earthquake issue it takes now all the political attention in Ankara. About the fiscal side of things I want to ask you specifically about the money that the IMF manager and director Kristallina Georgieva told me last week is necessary just to keep Ukraine's wheels in motion this year alone and she said between 80 and 84 billion. Do you believe that that money is going to get to Ukraine? I think at least looking at the European Union we are very united on economical support to Ukraine, the EU perspective for Ukraine but also on the military help to Ukraine.

Finland has just delivered the latest felt military package to Ukraine worth of 400 million euros. It's the biggest package so far and we are already preparing the 13th package so this just shows that all countries in the EU including Finland is eager to continue support to Ukraine. And that's in spite of energy situation going forward. That actually of course energy situation and what's happening in Ukraine first on destroying of the infrastructure and there's energy shortages is serious and of course in Finland we are making the green revolution even more rapid. The wind turbines, the green energy is very important at this moment for us as well. Do you see President Putin's war machine degraded? Well of course we have seen that the state of thought weaponry has been used and destroyed and so forth we see more I would say to kind of old iron, old type of weapons in the front but of course Russia is a big country and their capability to mobilize, the capability to produce is there and this is why we have to also continue our delivery of weapons and also training to Ukrainian soldiers. Finland is participating now to the new EU training missions for Ukrainians.

And what does the after Ukraine look like and I'm talking about if Ukraine is to win this war what does Russia in your mind look like after that? Well of course Ukraine hopefully will be the member of European Union in the future part of our family already now we had for example in Finland almost 50,000 refugees from Ukraine there's similar situation in many European countries there are more and more Ukrainians in Europe unfortunately do this conflict but this brings of course a lot of human contacts to between the European countries and Ukrainians. In Russia of course there has to be a big change of their policies towards peaceful Russia. Change of leadership? Change of policies at least is needed and Russia has to learn something they cannot just try to invade the neighboring countries. When we look one year back for 24th of February of course we were afraid if Ukraine is capable to fight back, if Ukraine is capable to defend and they have shown the willingness to prevent any damage from the Russia and to support their independence it's very important. And final question to you sir there is a disconnect if you will between the 40 countries that have sanctioned Vladimir Putin and Russia and the rest of the world what we would term in fact the Global South you're seeing some of that represented here at the Munich Security Conference however you don't see representatives from Russia from Iran in your mind is that a mistake are we in danger of becoming an echo chamber of just Western thought? I think it's very important first of all that we challenge the Russian narrative and explain what has gone wrong Russia has been violating the rules of the UN UN Charter the rules of the European security order and so forth and it's very important to tell you. But shouldn't we be saying that to the Russians? Yes we are saying it to Russians but we are also saying it to their face. Here? Yes but we are saying it to many other African leaders, Asian leaders, Latin American leaders why this is important and it's not only about Ukraine when we will go back to 1990 when Kuwait was occupied by Saddam Hussein we pushed back.

We pushed back based on the UN Charter and now we are doing the same push back on this issue but it's very important that we maintain the communication. And as here it's important to talk with them as well.



Capital Connection, CNBC

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