Are the Saints favorites in the NFC South after signing Derek Carr? | You Pod To Win The Game
We'll start with Derek Carr. Derek Carr signs a four year deal that four years, $150 million. It's really, if I'm going to be real, it's a three year deal. He's getting a little more than, it's going to average out to a little more than 33 APY year over those three years. And you know, had we talked about this earlier, and we did talk about Derek Carr, and they We'll start with Derek Carr. Derek Carr signs a four year deal that four years, $150 million. It's really, if I'm going to be real, it's a three year deal.
He's getting a little more than, it's going to average out to a little more than 33 APY year over those three years. And you know, had we talked about this earlier, and we did talk about Derek Carr, and they said, Hey, we're on 35 and 33 is pretty close to 35. I just said, Yeah, okay, I buy that. And that's what he got from the New Orleans Saints. That's maybe the big surprise. Okay, so my question is, if Sean Payton was not coaching in 2023, did the Saints still make the quarterback move? I'm not saying that is the only reason they made a quarterback move, but is there just a little bit of vindictive like, Hey, if Sean's going to be relevant, we want to be relevant too, and we don't want to be kept out of being relevant by having said, Hey, we're on 35 and 33 is pretty close to 35. I just said, Yeah, okay, I buy that.
And that's what he got from the New Orleans Saints. That's maybe the big surprise. Okay, so my question is, if Sean Payton was not coaching in 2023, did the Saints still make the quarterback move? I'm not saying that is the only reason they made a quarterback move, but is there just a little bit of vindictive like, Hey, if Sean's going to be relevant, we want to be relevant too, and we don't want to be kept out of being relevant by having the right quarterback in the building? It's interesting. I mean, it surprised me. I guess the thing that was less surprising was this was the team that expressed interest in him. So that I think kind of put them in the driver's seat in terms of, you know, once he became a free agent, they didn't have to give up assets. It is a team where you're like, Okay, we don't know what's going on with Alvin Camara from a legal standpoint.
We don't, you know, Michael Thomas, the right quarterback in the building? It's interesting. I mean, it surprised me. I guess the thing that was less surprising was this was the team that expressed interest in him. So that I think kind of put them in the driver's seat in terms of, you know, once he became a free agent, they didn't have to give up assets. It is a team where you're like, Okay, we don't know what's going on with Alvin Camara from a legal standpoint. We don't, you know, Michael Thomas, who knows, like Chris Alavi, great, you know, there's certain aspects of that team that are impressive. But yeah, like, I'm, I don't know, like, really? Is this, I guess to me, maybe part of why you make this move.
And I won't say that Mickey Loomis isn't staring at Sean Payton saying, Hey, I don't want to, you know, just fall apart here without Sean Payton. But when you look at the division, okay, I mean, he's the best quarterback in the division immediately, like it's automatically who knows, like Chris Alavi, great, you know, there's certain aspects of that team that are impressive. But yeah, like, I'm, I don't know, like, really? Is this, I guess to me, maybe part of why you make this move. And I won't say that Mickey Loomis isn't staring at Sean Payton saying, Hey, I don't want to, you know, just fall apart here without Sean Payton. But when you look at the division, okay, I mean, he's the best quarterback in the division immediately, like it's automatically puts them in a position where if that defense continues, you know, it's like defense has got talent and even Alvin will be fine. Who knows what happens with Michael Thomas. The lobby takes a big step.
Okay, I mean, it's not it. Let's, let's be real, it's just not a good division. And so maybe they're sitting there saying they're still, we can still make hay here, we just got to have a pretty decent quarterback. And by the way, he's in a dome. He's going to, I think this is the right division for him. I like this division way, you know, far more than the ASA East. puts them in a position where if that defense continues, you know, it's like defense has got talent and even Alvin will be fine.
Who knows what happens with Michael Thomas. The lobby takes a big step. Okay, I mean, it's not it. Let's, let's be real, it's just not a good division. And so maybe they're sitting there saying they're still, we can still make hay here, we just got to have a pretty decent quarterback. And by the way, he's in a dome. He's going to, I think this is the right division for him.
I like this division way, you know, far more than the ASA East. I, maybe the interesting thing to fall out here, I had a chance to talk to two people today and I do think the Jets were genuinely interested, but he just wasn't the top priority. He wasn't, and he knew that. And I think the way that that ended up, Can you say he wasn't the top priority? He wasn't their top quarterback? He was not their top quarterback priority. No, they're waiting on Rogers. They are. And, and I'm not convinced that they're not wondering what's going to happen with Mar Jackson either.
I, maybe the interesting thing to fall out here, I had a chance to talk to two people today and I do think the Jets were genuinely interested, but he just wasn't the top priority. He wasn't, and he knew that. And I think the way that that ended up, Can you say he wasn't the top priority? He wasn't their top quarterback? He was not their top quarterback priority. No, they're waiting on Rogers. They are. And, and I'm not convinced that they're not wondering what's going to happen with Mar Jackson either. So I know for, you know, absolutely Rogers.
It was the, let's wait and see with Rogers. Let's have some patience here. Meanwhile, you have the saints who were doing the negative recruiting. They were like, you are our top priority. Come play here. We want you. We wanted you before you were released.
Why are you waiting on this team? And by the way, you want 35. We'll get you pretty close to 35. And you're probably not getting that fourth year balloon payment of So I know for, you know, absolutely Rogers. It was the, let's wait and see with Rogers. Let's have some patience here. Meanwhile, you have the saints who were doing the negative recruiting. They were like, you are our top priority.
Come play here. We want you. We wanted you before you were released. Why are you waiting on this team? And by the way, you want 35. We'll get you pretty close to 35. And you're probably not getting that fourth year balloon payment of like $50 million, but hey, you know, you're going to make some good money here and who knows what can happen between now and that fourth year of the deal. Right.
Yeah. No, I think it's super interesting too. And, and as you mentioned, Derek Carr is going from a division with Patrick Mahomes, Justin Herbert and Russell Wilson. And there's a 14 win team in the division, a 10 win team. And then you're going to a division in the NFC South where no one had a winning record last year. like $50 million, but hey, you know, you're going to make some good money here and who knows what can happen between now and that fourth year of the deal. Right.
Yeah. No, I think it's super interesting too. And, and as you mentioned, Derek Carr is going from a division with Patrick Mahomes, Justin Herbert and Russell Wilson. And there's a 14 win team in the division, a 10 win team. And then you're going to a division in the NFC South where no one had a winning record last year. I don't know who's the Bucking Ears quarterback this year, Kyle Trask, Kyle Trask, Desmond Ritter, who's the Caroline Panthers quarterback? I mean, is it a draft pick? And then you have the Saints. I mean, I guess it's still possible.
There's definitely some buzz around the combine that like, okay, Falcons Lamar, that could be happening. But at least right now, you might have the best quarterback out looking to division after being with Mahomes, Russ and Justin Herbert. So I could I don't know who's the Bucking Ears quarterback this year, Kyle Trask, Kyle Trask, Desmond Ritter, who's the Caroline Panthers quarterback? I mean, is it a draft pick? And then you have the Saints. I mean, I guess it's still possible. There's definitely some buzz around the combine that like, okay, Falcons Lamar, that could be happening. But at least right now, you might have the best quarterback out looking to division after being with Mahomes, Russ and Justin Herbert. So I could see why for him that would be appealing.
And I guess for the Saints, yes, they're making a move, but they're not like really going all out. And also when you look at it, I mean, they're their initial first round draft pick for how they played, they traded away last year. And so they're not picking until 29, which is the pick they got back from the Broncos. So I mean, it's not like you were going to be able to make moves in the draft. So even if you're like, you can make the argument of, don't they realize they need to rebuild at some point? But at what point were you not going to see why for him that would be appealing. And I guess for the Saints, yes, they're making a move, but they're not like really going all out. And also when you look at it, I mean, they're their initial first round draft pick for how they played, they traded away last year.
And so they're not picking until 29, which is the pick they got back from the Broncos. So I mean, it's not like you were going to be able to make moves in the draft. So even if you're like, you can make the argument of, don't they realize they need to rebuild at some point? But at what point were you not going to have a quarterback at all this year? Because you're probably not getting one in the draft that's going to do what you need them to do. And I mean, let's, okay, let's play with how the season rolled out last year. I thought the Giants need to do a big rebuild. You know what? Hey, they quarterback played a little bit better. You know, parts of the division were strong.
With a new coach and a new coordinator. Yeah, true. The Saints don't have that. They don't have that. But I would argue have a quarterback at all this year? Because you're probably not getting one in the draft that's going to do what you need them to do. And I mean, let's, okay, let's play with how the season rolled out last year. I thought the Giants need to do a big rebuild.
You know what? Hey, they quarterback played a little bit better. You know, parts of the division were strong. With a new coach and a new coordinator. Yeah, true. The Saints don't have that. They don't have that. But I would argue with the Saints.
I would argue he is a the best quarterback they've had since Paris. I mean, I don't even know if that's a, you know, look, there were times where Dalton played okay. You know, there were times where I thought I was going to ask you how much better is Derek Carr than Andy Dalton? That's a good question. I mean, I don't, I don't, some people are going to say you're insane. Like he's clearly a better player. I don't know because Andy Dalton's a lot cheaper. with the Saints.
I would argue he is a the best quarterback they've had since Paris. I mean, I don't even know if that's a, you know, look, there were times where Dalton played okay. You know, there were times where I thought I was going to ask you how much better is Derek Carr than Andy Dalton? That's a good question. I mean, I don't, I don't, some people are going to say you're insane. Like he's clearly a better player. I don't know because Andy Dalton's a lot cheaper. Like, I already see.
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